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2018 BEP World War I Intaglio Print Collection. Three new cards. Available January 2018. Check it out.
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https://www.moneyfactorystore.gov/worldwari100thanniversary2018intaglioprintcollection.aspx

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They could stand to hire someone with a graphic arts background to work on layout.
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Agreed..but much better looking in hand. I’m in for one set. Last few offerings are really cool and this one includes reprints of reverse large size notes.
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When did they start using the word “copy” on the intaglio print cards ?
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When did they start using the word “copy” on the intaglio print cards ?


It's about time. Hopefully this will mitigate/destroy the selling of cut-outs as proofs.

It is somewhat unfortunate since it destroys the beauty of the "copy."
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Maybe just on web page?
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Maybe just on web page?


I contacted the MoneyFactory and asked if the word “copy” was going to be on the Intaglio cards, and they answered YES, it will appear on the cards.
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COPY is necessary to comply with the Hobby Protection Act although there may be a governmental exception for that.

The bars on the other items will be there to prevent them from being cut out and redeemed.
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THEY DID IT! Whoop! This is the first time in 10 YEARS that the Bureau of Engraving & Printing has used a complete currency design on their intaglio print cards. The last card was like this was for the 2007 ANA show in Milwaukie (you'll see below, the Bureau printed "specimen" on the notes at the time, rather than "copy"). You have no idea how long members of the Souvenir Card Collectors Society and others have been pressing them to go back to currency as the central feature. It finally paid off!
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A little backstory: The reason they stopped reprinting currency designs was because some dealers were cutting down the cards, having them slabbed, and misrepresenting them as proofs. The Secret Service came down on the BEP and told them they could no longer use currency on their cards. (They actually were not supposed to use any engraving that had even appeared on currency, but that was too restrictive and was ignored.) But administrations change and so do Bureau directors. The new director, Len Olijar, is a collector himself and I suspect this is what led to a repeal of the prohibition on currency usage.

So if using the word "COPY" on these designs is the price we have to pay for currency reproductions in intaglio, I'll take it. We can work on encouraging better overall design next. Baby steps.

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Wow, those are excellent! Thanks for posting the link.
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Agreed...thanks for back story..very cool.
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Greg glad to see you posted this info so other members would understand why souvenir cards (with currency) basically disappeared back around 2005. I had figured this out after reading other posts related to intaglio printing and others. I have ~30-40 cards, maybe more, that I've acquired after I missed out on the 2014 Defenders of Freedom military cards. Those later souvenir cards after around 2001 carry a higher price. Instead of the word 'copy' I would have preferred the BEP printed a small "Bureau of Engraving and Printing" and copyright date along two opposing sides that could not be trimmed away without cutting into the design. I would prefer a small red 'specimen' over the larger 'copy'. Put it where the 'Treasurer' or 'Secretary' would normally be, in red lettering. Just my two cents. [smile]

Added: How about a simple "BEP©2018" in red? Put it above/below where the there is a series date. Example "series of 1914" would have the red BEP©2018 and below where the 'treasurer/secretary' was. How about that? [thumb]
 
 

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You rarely see obsolete banknotes cut out from souvenir cards produced by American Bank Note Co. Why? They are not marked on the front, but ABN was smart enough to stamp the cards on the back (right behind the banknote) with something indicating the date they were reprinted. There's no way to misrepresent them as older proofs.

Here are a couple examples. I'd like to see the BEP do something like this on their cards, rather than mar the beauty of the engraving on the front.

SO116.jpg  SO116 back.jpg  SO-117.jpg  SO-117 back.jpg 

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My grandfather was in WWI and I've rekindled my interest in the War over the past few years so guess I'll send in a subscription since I generally like them.  I do agree that ABNCo's approach to marking the cards is far superior to that of the BEP.  "COPY" really cheapens the look to me and you'd think they'd have been informed by how clean the ABNCo products look.  Even the "specimen" overprint looks better.  Not unlike the mint's cheesy incuse stamping of the weight, etc on the reverse of the 1916-2016 good pieces.  Really liked the half otherwise but just couldn't pull the trigger because of the that.    


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Greg that ABNCo method is EXCELLENT! Would be nice to have a notes info and © info on the back. A simple "1914 $10 Legal Tender, with © 2018 Bureau of Engraving and Printing" on a second line would be a nice way to address the concerns. Admittedly it requires another printing step.
 
 

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Arrived yesterday. 1st of 3. Still a little unclear about the wording on the First Bond...?

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Nice looking card! I did write the BEP to ask about the use of COPY on the currency reprint, but no response yet.

Mike, is the vignette of the doughboys and the flag also engraved? I guess I'll find out soon enough; mine should be arriving shortly.
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Yes..it’s engraved. The image of the battleship is razor sharp. Much nicer than mine...

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I was just looking at those the other day thinking I should order those.  Shame on these people posting souvenir cards getting that collecting bug in me all excited.  [biggrin]
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We are paper pushers for intaglio addicts. [wink]
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I was just looking at those the other day thinking I should order those.  Shame on these people posting souvenir cards getting that collecting bug in me all excited.  [biggrin]


I just received one today, first of 3. Beautiful. They sure do have nerve dangling those shiny objects at unsuspecting collectors. The audacity.[crazy][idea][biggrin]

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Bit the bullet and ordered my set today after seeing subscriptions were due by Feb.8. They've got my money so hope I didn't wait too long. [smile]
 

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Good luck Danny!
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Guess they still have plenty to sell. Ordered Sat. afternoon (2-10), processed Mon., mailed out Tue. ($3.31) and received Thur. (2-15). Arrived with 2 corners on left side of mailer with folds. Uh oh, damaged card? Sent in an oversized (~12 1/2"x 14 3/4") stiff mailer. Fortunately they had placed the print between 2 more pieces of that stiff mailer cardboard inside a plastic zip lock that saved the day. Love the feel of the soldiers engraving as much as the $2 battleship.

Bounced back and forth on the BEP intaglio sections of their website after reviewing this thread and  yours (mikelaw) and lettows comment on very poor graphics design. The still available 2015 "Ideals in Allegory DEMOCRACY Intaglio Print" allows you to hoover the image (800px × 1,049px) for a much better idea what you're getting. Hit the + sign and you get a smaller version image. Very sloppy when you compare the different years of prints as I looked at both those currently available and the sold-out prints. You'd think being in a printing business they'd have a graphics expert on staff or available. They would probably sell more items if people could see what they're interested in buying.

Mikelaw I bought the 2015 Defenders of Democracy on Greg's recommendation. I also got the 2014 Defenders of Freedom set (cost me $250 though) with Greg's help. Also bought the 2013 Ideals In Allegory LIBERTY Intaglio Print on ebay to go with a $1 series #521 MPC I own shown in the Insider info on 2015 BEP intaglio prints thread.
 
PS: I also blame Greg for all those souvenir cards he made me buy. [biggrin]
 

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Dan...Nice pickups. The BEP Intaglio prints are fun to collect... especially the more recent ones. Very suitable for framing and display. Good luck.
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