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asheland

Are these the same note?  

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088F258E-92E8-4B11-9437-7137575D1DDF.jpegVs:

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SSC
Do you mean same as in same friedberg  number ?   If so I think it is.  If you mean same note in both pics the answer is definitely no.  
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asheland
I mean Friedberg.  1267 vs 1268 (watermarked vs not)
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TomTomTomTom
Unable to see if it’s watermarked or not from pics. You have to used stamp collector watermark detector fluid or plain lighter fluid to make the watermarks appear....doesn’t do any damage and the only real way to see if one is present or not. You might want to ask @Cody71086 how it was done.
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MaineJoe
If I was to take a guess I would say the 2nd one is a watermarked type. That due in part to the difference in the paper and fiber content.
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asheland
@TomTomTomTom Unfortunately it's in a PMG holder, sealed up...  What about a black light? 
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asheland
And yes, it's full of pink fibers... (the first one)
The first one is mine, the second belongs to a friend.  The watermarks are clearly seen in the second one...
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SSC
Bottom one looks watermarked.  Hard to tell from the pics.  
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TomTomTomTom
If I had to guess from pics.....top rev pic, along bottom edge left looks like clear areas caused by watermarks.... bottom rev pic, along top edge there appears to be clear areas of watermark....both fr 1267...but as I said, above, lighter fluid
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asheland
Thanks guys!  🙂
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TomTomTomTom
As a followup...I took both a 1267 and 1268 and tilting them sideways @45 degree angle to an led light source , if you know what to look for, you can make out the watermarks on 1267....it's basically a row of USUSUSUSUSUS across the paper..usually not all the way across...tend to be faded in one area compared to another....the tops of the U letters are what tend to stand out....1268 nothing
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TomTomTomTom
asheland wrote:
@TomTomTomTom Unfortunately it's in a PMG holder, sealed up...  What about a black light? 
 

just tried with black light...not much difference than above...sealed PMG attributed a FR1267 I'm guessing?
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asheland
It is.   It’s this one:
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dtreter
Tom is right, you need water mark detecting fluid that can be found at stamp dealers. Also the paper on a FR 1268 is usually ticker and more heavily fibered. Your problem is that your note in question has been holdered. I don't think it is worth it to remove it just to see what the water mark fluid would do. I would trust the TPG but have found some of the graded FR 1268's to be mis-attributed.

FYI, I have a FR 1268 in the coming auction. It came from the great fractional collections of Martin Gengerke and Tom O'Mara. It is shown below. I bought it raw as uncirculated but when sent to PMG they gave it a AU53 due to the corner chip. Check out the heavier fibers on the reverse (not pink).

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dtreter
It is hard to see through a holder, but it looks like a partial upside down bottom part of the U just beneath the left side medallion as seen on the reverse on your back lighted note.

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TomTomTomTom
...and here is another 1268
1268 rev.jpg  1268.jpg 
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asheland
I appreciate the information.  Thanks everybody!  
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