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Russell Kaye
Now can anyone tell me why?

https://www.auctionzip.com/auction-lot/lot_2F24FADA57
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Numbersman
It's got to be the Florida Territory note.
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YoungCollector
The Florida territorial is signed by Achille Murat, who was the nephew of Napoleon.
He married George Washington's great-grandniece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Achille_Murat
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Russell Kaye
Bingo! Young Collector wins.
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Russell Kaye
mfontes wrote:
I think Russell wouldn’t have posted this if any of those notes were rare.  Look at the estimate $60-80. Someone just paid a hefty stupid tax. 



This was edited by TigerTrader. "No these actually are very rare and valuable. I wanted to post them as an example of what is still out there!"



The $60-80 estimate reflects the fact that the auction house had no clue as to value or significance of what they were selling. At least two buyers appear to have recognized the value here, one being myself. The $5 proof in the lot is worth 10-20 times estimate and that's not even the best note.
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YoungCollector
By the way, the Murat note looks to be fully intact - the dog-ears can be folded back and (not that I would do it but ) a trim job on the left might help.  Beautiful piece of history connected to a figure from Florida's past.  Too bad there aren't many currency collectors in Florida to appreciate it (ha ha ha).
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By the way, there were some nice Kelmscott's in that auction too.
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tigertrader

Whoa, pump the brakes. A total misunderstanding between two longtime, respected members. Iron it out and say your sorry’s, preferably in private. 


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I think this was just a misunderstanding. I could see how it could be misinterpreted but I can also see that it was certainly not meant that way and was just part of the discussion. A teachable moment that is the exact reason this forum is here. 

The OP is a great post. And again this is exactly what the forum is for. Lets just keep in mind that many times written communication can be easily misunderstood and taken the wrong way. 


I am deleting all the comments not specific to the OP. I will leave this post up so all can see it. I will also now unlock the thread so we can keep the discussion going as this is a great thread / example!


This was just a misunderstanding, lets all just move forward. I will say though that we all need to try to be as cordial as possible to prevent future misunderstandings or required moderator intervention.

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tigertrader
I think this is really an amazing example of what you can find out there with a bit more information than the next guy. I love posts like this!


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armynova
Eastern Shore RR note is rare and worth $1000+ .... 
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Russell Kaye
Yes, mfontes made an obnoxious comment and then deleted it. He brought the dispute from the off topic board here, discouraging useful and legitimate posts, like this one. The mods didn't discipline him. Instead they deleted my comments calling him out and claiming that it was a misunderstanding. If this were true, I'd apologize for calling him out. But there's been no apology nor explanation. I think that he needs explain his rude comment to me and the other Board members and to do it publicly, right here. I don't think that the mods are doing their job and this isn't the first time.

I expect to be posting more interesting content on the PCGS board. Not saying that I won't post here, too but now that Jason Bradford is no longer associated with PCGS, I feel better about helping their renewed efforts. 
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HoneyBadger
Back to the subject at hand please.
FRN Collections Complete - 1928-1934 LGS: $5 [87%] - $10 [37%] - $20 [2%] - $50 [6%] - $100 [0%] - $500 [0%]

http://www.1928notes.com - If you have a new note to add, please let me know.
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Yes, mfontes made an obnoxious comment and then deleted it. He brought the dispute from the off topic board here, discouraging useful and legitimate posts, like this one. The mods didn't discipline him. Instead they deleted my comments calling him out and claiming that it was a misunderstanding. If this were true, I'd apologize for calling him out. But there's been no apology nor explanation. I think that he needs explain his rude comment to me and the other Board members and to do it publicly, right here. I don't think that the mods are doing their job and this isn't the first time.

I expect to be posting more interesting content on the PCGS board. Not saying that I won't post here, too but now that Jason Bradford is no longer associated with PCGS, I feel better about helping their renewed efforts. 


No he made a comment that you took as an attack on yourself and I (probably most everyone else as well) 100% do not think he meant it that way. You can still see the comment quoted in a previous post of yours. I did edit that post of yours (and PMed you to tell you about it and why) and deleted all the comments not pertinent to the OP (and identified that in a prior post of mine). The deletion included a response from mfontes where he explained that his comment was legitimate and he thought someone must have overpaid. He had no idea it was purchased by you and assumed it was nothing special and someone paid to much. As I said before, it created a perfect teaching example for the forum and our members. Unfortunately, you seem to be primed from whatever other conversation you have had on the off topic board, to take the comment as an attack and then refuse to listen to reason as I tried to salvage this great post and use it as a teachable moment on what rare stuff is still floating around out there. No discipline was needed as he didn't do anything wrong! What you are doing now is wrong and your either not following what I have laid out here (and to you already in private) or you just refuse to listen to reason. As I already told you, he did reply to explain the situation and I deleted that because it was a reply to other posts that were not addressing the OP and it would have not made sense to leave it up. As the person who started the thread you get emails with copies of every post made so you have a copy of his reply with explanation in your emails if you want to go find it (I also already told you this). I did all of this in the light of day and identified every action I took so all could see. 

You are being unreasonable. Consider this a formal warning to stop attacking the forum, our moderators and members or you will be suspended or banned from the forum. We are being fair and reasonable and I think any objective person can see that. Your latest reply and need to derail this thread has now required that I re lock the thread. Wonderful as that is exactly what I was trying to prevent with all my previous actions. I should have just left everything up and the thread locked but I really wanted this great example to be able to be seen and discussed... ðŸ˜”


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Russell Kaye
I saw no explanation nor message nor email from Marc Fontes, just a deleted post with no explanation, at least to those reading the thread. Why would I sabotage my own thread? You couldn't be more wrong on this. I tried. Instead of arguing, I'm just moving on.

I still think that you and he are full of it because of the fact that he said that Russell wouldn't have posted it if it was rare. What the hell did that mean? Nearly everything that I post is rare. It wasn't the comment about overpaying(I don't expect him to know what the lot is worth), it was the personal attack on my character (and lie) that offended me. Explain that comment and I'd be happy to give you an apology, otherwise, you still got it wrong.

Really, tell me what you think he meant by the comment that I wouldn't post anything rare because I still apparently don't understand it. Or better yet, ask him or have him explain it to me.

-Russell
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Russell Kaye
I just read Marc's post in my email. Excuse me for only reading the now heavily edited thread and not seeing it sooner. I posted, Marc attacked, you butchered it, and I won't waste my time again. That's how I see it.

I still say that you are both full of it and asked Marc to explain the comment about not posting anything rare. What was that supposed to mean, anyway, since I post much rare stuff for educational purposes. An insult, at the very least and offensive as it suggests that I'm jealously guarding the good notes and only willing to post crap. That's how I understand it. Do you have an alternate understanding of our "misunderstanding"?
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tigertrader

I am not even sure how you are posting in this thread with it locked.

Let me be clear, do not post on this thread again. 





I have offered Marc that i will post a reply from him if he wishes. If he sends me one I will post it and that will be the end of this thread. 
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Russell Kaye
I haven't been posting on the thread. I'm only responding to your emails. Perhaps you have a technical problem and, again, you presumed that I was violating rules. That makes you wrong again.

Let me make this clear. Stop emailing me and I'll stop responding.


-Russell
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Russell Kaye
Tiger,

Please delete this whole thread. It was obviously a mistake to post it and I won't be making the same mistake again.

Your presumption that I continue to post after you locked the thread and "Let me be clear" order are both wrong. I'm only replying to your email. You falsely accused me again.

Marc's excuse of an innocent mistake is B.S. He ran to HGR's defense and made his feelings and beliefs clear. Don't pee on my shoes and tell me it's raining.

-Russell
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Russell Kaye
This was an email to Tiger. I did not post it. The thread is supposed to be locked yet all these emails are being posted. Better hurry and delete them before too many members see just how wrong you both were. You obviously have some sort of technical problem but blamed me falsely for continuing to post. Fix it and stop falsely accusing me of posting.

mfontes previously sided with HGR in our political disputes, otherwise I might have actually believed that it was a misunderstanding. mfontes has not and will not reach out to explain what he meant. The mods should have deleted his obnoxious comment instead of editing and deleting and having emails now show up as posts in the thread. Instead of fixing the problem, you created a mess, and lost me as a participant in the process.

The thread has been butchered now and I would prefer that it all be deleted. I won't make the mistake of posting another educational thread here. It's just not worth the grief and attacks. I'll bet that I'll have none of these problems over at PCGS. Indeed I've been a member there much longer than here. And I've been here from the start.
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tigertrader

 

Apparently there is a glitch where if you reply to the emails you receive of replies (like the one you insist you didn’t get with Marcs explanation) in a thread you started, it will post to the thread. Apparently your getting the emails because that’s what it appears you did. However my instructions were clear and you choose to simply disregard them. I hope your happy with yourself...


It is pointless to argue with you on this. You have proven to be a biased and unreasonable person in regards to this situation. 


You refuse to accept an honest explanation and insist on bashing me and other members with lies and your own personal assumptions. You are assuming Marc had some axe to grind with you but he just made a post. It is your own bias that had you take such offense to it. Then in an example of how ridiculously unreasonable you are being, you will not accept Marcs honest and clear full explanation that I have seen and been copied on in PM’s. You replied separately
without coping me, so you received them. 

You allege that Marc is defending HGR (like that has anything to do with this situation) and that’s why you think his comment was an attack. Get over it. A 60+ year old man should not act like a preschooler. I have tried and tried to reason with you (as has many many members and mods) but you apparently know others thoughts and intentions regardless of what they are telling you (more like begging you to just listen). I have never taken any action like I have in this thread and your kind of reaction is why I prefer a completely non intervention moderation style. However, all the negativity caused us to change our rules (that you kept telling us needed to be changed) and now that we are enforcing them you have gone off the deep end. You have had no bigger supporter than myself but you have simply pushed it to far. You have caused further action to be taken. At this point all of this is on you. I can simply not believe your behavior or that you would put me or this forum in this position.

I wish you the best as I always have and always will. 

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