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whybee
Incredible. Thank you very much. Do we know how many are known to exist now? Also, curious as to what the serial range for these notes are. Are they all from the A-A Block?
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jdizzle
whybee wrote:
Incredible. Thank you very much. Do we know how many are known to exist now? Also, curious as to what the serial range for these notes are. Are they all from the A-A Block?
According to the Schwartz & Lindquist Standard Guide to Small-Size U.S. Paper Money, the blue seal ranges are:

A74761305A - A91044000A
B00904001A - B01564000A
B13564001A - B26878328A 

Yellow seal ranges are everything in between:

A91044001A - B00904000A
B01564001A - B13564000A
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jdizzle
Gnat - do you happen to know which SPMC Paper Money journal volume or whole # that this article came from?  I am a SPMC member, but I just can't seem to find the specific issue where this was published.  Thanks in advance!

EDIT - Nevermind, I found it on the other threat talking about this...it's May/June 2008, whole #255.  
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jhodgson
The alteration on your note is excellent.  I cannot immediately tell it was altered.

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jdizzle
Based on the serial number range for yellow seals, I’m assuming this one would also qualify?  E5CDC06E-F5F8-4162-A948-5F07E8D92FC3.jpeg 
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postalnotes
jdizzle wrote:
Based on the serial number range for yellow seals, I’m assuming this one would also qualify?  


It sure appears that way.
Would any of you owners of these blue-seal N. Africa notes be able to post a close-up of the seal for us to study?
Thanks.

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jdizzle
postalnotes wrote:


It sure appears that way.
Would any of you owners of these blue-seal N. Africa notes be able to post a close-up of the seal for us to study?
Thanks.

I just picked this up on eBay yesterday. I should have it in-hand on Monday and I’d be happy to get some close up pics for you. 
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jordon
The example that gnat posted was identified by PMG as a contemporary alteration. Presumably it is possible to distinguish between alterations that are contemporary (to fool the public or the US government) and those that are modern (to fool collectors interested in contemporary alterations), but I wonder how. Does anyone know?
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jdizzle
Mine just arrived today. I’ll hopefully get better photos this weekend, but here’s a close up of the seal and the note itself. There’s no details around the shield, just lots of blue ink with patches of paper color resembling how the shield should look. The letters aren’t nearly as sharp as they should be, especially the second “E” in “SEPTENT”. Overall, from arm’s length it looks fairly convincing, but one you take a closer look at the shield, it’s missing a great deal of detail, isn’t nearly as sharp, and most of the spikes aren’t as long and sharp. Plus under a loupe, there is some excess blue ink around the spikes on the left side and a bit more slightly away from the spikes on the right. The paper on this note looks to be a bit toned, but the blue color of the seal looks darker than any other blue seal I’ve seen. 
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MEC2
So I wonder if the yellow seal is not first chemically removed, then the blue seal stamped upon it. Because there is NO way to just pop that blue seal over the yellow to perfectly cover it with no bleed or peek through...

Here's a regular seal to compare, definitely more detailed and the notches in the peripheral spindle are clear of the sides, definitely different...

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postalnotes
Thanks for the close-ups!

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jdizzle

Just came back from PMG last week...with the appropriate Fr./description and verbiage on the holder, both front and back. If I’m not mistaken, this is the only B-A block known with the seal alteration. Pretty cool!
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A few more higher resolution close-up photos of the altered seal.

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tigertrader
Very Cool!
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High Grade Rarities
No matter how much you know, there is always more to learn. This is a great thread! I never knew anything about these. Now I have something new to look for.
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EarlySmallSizeFanatic
Here is a good question: 

Were any star notes altered, and are any known ?
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lettow
Here is a good question: 

Were any star notes altered, and are any known ?


Since the alteration is unofficial, there is no way to know until one surfaces.
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jdizzle

Has anyone seen a current census for these notes? In the May/June 2008 (Whole #255) SPMC Paper Money Journal, Peter Huntoon stated there were three known. I believe there has been three more new SNs posted here since then, including mine. I world be interested to see where it stands now. 

Does anyone have Peter Huntoon’s email address so that I may inquire if no one else knows? If so, please send me a private message. Thanks in advance!

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jhodgson
My three:

413010SC1934-AN. Africafp 86A98145743A K86794F(F)       yellow seal altered to blue
356510SC1934-AN. Africa A93920599AA133848F+(F)       yellow seal altered to blue
403110SC1934-AN. Africa A99568747AA177913F(VF)       yellow seal altered to blue
                  

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EarlySmallSizeFanatic
lettow wrote:


Since the alteration is unofficial, there is no way to know until one surfaces.


Exactly, just wondering if any have surfaced. 

That would be a great find. 
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