,
 



PMG is the Official Grading Service of the Paper Money Forum
,
GregAlex Show full post »
 
GregAlex
Where's that shaking-my-head emoji? You'd think someone willing to spend $3800 would be knowledgeable enough to know the unslabbed market value. Do you think these auction prices will boost prices for ungraded notes? As you point out, why would anyone bother selling a raw note if you can get far more in a slab.
Quote 0
element159
Yeah, that price is crazy. I would like one of those Einstein notes, it would fit in my scientist collection, but no way at that price!

Maybe that Cape Verde 500 escudos is reasonable. I'll have to check that one out.
Quote 0
CurrencyDen1
Well, conversely it should cause more slabbing...  After all, the vast majority of test notes should be 65 or better.
By the way, PCGS got it wrong.  The test note is from Thomas De La Rue, not the firm they half-owned TDLR-Giori.
My hopes of the TPGs referencing the catalogs is poor for the exact reason you pointed out.
ALSO !!
SELF-FULFILLING ESTIMATES.  Golden estimated the value of $2840 to $3440.  With no reference listing (or more importantly known by the buyer), they're estimate was given weight - obviously.
Quote 0
CurrencyDen1
Here's an interesting variant of GOZ-531 series, the 100 years anniversary of the Goznak factory.  I have assigned GOZ-532, since there is enough of change from the others.  Notice the dark image of the man is in front of the window.  Mine came in a promotional 3 page brochure with serial prefix AA.  I call this "With folder" in the catalogs & list the price with folder as well as the single note.
GOZ-532f.jpg  Here is one of the GOZ-532 set.  Notice the dark image of the man is IN the building, with his view through the window.  GOZ-531r.jpg    GOZ-531f.jpg 
Quote 0
CurrencyDen1
GregAlex wrote:
Where's that shaking-my-head emoji? You'd think someone willing to spend $3800 would be knowledgeable enough to know the unslabbed market value. Do you think these auction prices will boost prices for ungraded notes? As you point out, why would anyone bother selling a raw note if you can get far more in a slab.

Well, the next identical PCGS 65 PPQ Einstein 50 sold and the price plummeted.  It only sold for $1850 + 20% fees.  It only sold for 1000% of raw note value....
Quote 0
CurrencyDen1
Continuing saga of riches to be made on the Einstein 50 note.  The next sale today, PCGS 65 PPQ grade for priors now PCGS 66 PPQ ....... $1650.  You would think Golden Gate would update their estimate to under $2000, based on the weekly sales in the $1800-$1650 range.  But of course not!  With an estimate of $2280-$3360, the $1650 hammer price is a value...
Quote 1
CurrencyDen1
The PWPW and CCL house note.
From a CCL press release:
Through close collaboration, CCL Secure Ltd ("CCL") and Rolling Optics have succeeded in integrating Rolling Optics' unique 3D technology into CCL's process of manufacturing polymer banknotes. The product being launched is called CINEMATM and it enables the complete integration of Rolling Optics' security effects as early on as during the first stage of manufacturing the banknote substrate. This is exemplified through the manufacture and launch of a "House Note", a banknote without a country and with neutral motifs featuring the CINEMATM effect.
The CCL brochure states among other things:
Chaplin banknote originated and printed by PWPW. 
The front of the note features a strikingportrait of Charlie Chaplin in his iconicTramp costume and the reverse shows animage of Chaplin’s legs and cane, inspiredby the film “Modern Times”.
(PWPW is the Poland Security Works, which makes all Polish notes, as well as for other countries)
pwpw-front2.jpg 
Quote 0
GregAlex
I really like this one! What is the CINEMA effect? Does it simulate movement when you look at it from different angles?
Quote 0
CurrencyDen1
From CCL: Cinema brings your banknote to life with striking 3D and movement effects unlike anything seen on banknote previously.
Here's a link to the note, showing the effect:
https://cclsecure.com/Cinema/
Quote 0
CurrencyDen1
@element159
So you collect scientist notes?  An odd coincidence, the 4 Thomas De La Rue test notes I just put up on auction have a common theme - scientist or inventors, except the International Space Station (still a Science note!)  TDLR likes to use scientists
as subjects for their test notes.  Babbage notes a bit pricey.  Sir Joseph Swann should be a good deal for $30 or less.  The International Space Station / Baby note sells occasionally - usually about $40.  Last 2 have a $9.99 start.
The first 2 Babbage notes. Charles Babbage was an English polymath, a mathematician, philosopher, inventor and mechanical engineer. Babbage originated the concept of a digital programmable computer.  $55 start price.  They should go for $80 or less each.
[s-l1600]
t [s-l1600]De-La-Rue-Test-Promotional-note-Babbage-POLYMER-Silver-foil-window-80-CV

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203098769911
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203098771554

The Sir Joseph Swann note shows a light house on front & back.  Fitting for Swann.  Sir Joseph Wilson Swan was an English physicist, chemist, and inventor. He is known as an independent early developer of a successful incandescent light bulb, and is the person responsible for developing and supplying the first incandescent lights used to illuminate homes and public buildings.
[s-l1600][s-l1600]
There are UV images, front & back and a moire' image check images for those interested.  I think  I posted information on moire' images before & wrote a 2nd place article on this in the IBNS Journal.  The article is available on my site or just give me shout for a link.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/193650427893

The last is the "Baby" test note, which has an astronaut during space walk at the international space station and several planets visible on the reverse.  The are UV, background, & moire' images as well.  These are posted in the catalog as well.
[s-l1600]
[s-l1600]
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203098810323

I also need to write an article some time on Albert Einstein test notes.  Just a cursory glance found 5 or more firms using Einstein as a subject for nearly a dozen test notes.

Quote 0
CurrencyDen1
element159 wrote:
Yeah, that price is crazy. I would like one of those Einstein notes, it would fit in my scientist collection, but no way at that price!

I checked the full sized eBook version of the test notes catalog.  I have logged 10 different firms with Einstein topics.  There are 15 different notes with 31 total varieties.  Catalog values run from $25 for 3 vertical notes from LGYR & Pfund (the now retired banknote designer) up to $400.  I am NOT including the ridiculous prices for the slabbed De La Rue series notes, which run about $85 raw.
Quote 0
CurrencyDen1
I received a PWPW (Polish Printing Works) Sabala test note yesterday.  Sabała or Sablik, born Jan Krzeptowski (1809-1894) was an amateur musician, guide, storyteller and singer. I ordered in 7 weeks ago!  Shipments to/from Europe SLOW.  Anyhow, I couldn't tell on the auction, but the note turns out to be a new version to attribute.  There is silver ink you can only see at an angle, so the seller's scanner shows nothing.  I got a dark spot where the silver ink is when I scanned it.  Here is the note.
PWPW-151a2f.jpg  PWPW-151a2r.jpg  PWPW-151a2silver.jpg  silver ink PWPW-151a2wm.jpg  PWPW-151buv.jpg 
Quote 1
CurrencyDen1
2 New Nanjing Mint Co. test notes.
60 Years of space.
NMC-111f.jpg  NMC-111r.jpg  NMC-112f.jpg  NMC-112r.jpg 
Quote 0
 
Forum Sponsors

 
 

,