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some more notes...

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CurrencyDen1
Nice group of test notes!  The Queen of Spades & "Pushkin" note with Cyrillic are found uniface or one on front, one on back.  The Pushkin note is the reason I collect & attribute test notes!

Some 30 years ago it was given to me by a dealer.  I had never heard of a test note.  So "10" what?  No sign of a dollar, pound, ruble, etc.  Now 3 decades later I know most test notes have NO denomination.  The new 1st edition of Standard Catalog of Paper Money (before it was split into 3 volumes) was no help.  With no internet & not knowing Cyrillic I was at a loss.  Now I know there are 13 varieties of this Giori note first released in 1977.  I just love a good mystery!
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GregAlex
I had a feeling you might comment on that Pushkin note. [biggrin]
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CurrencyDen1
Yet another newly discovered promotional note and a firm's first. CPHC-101
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Culver, Page, Hoyne & Co.

The firm was an engraver and lithographer using steel and copper plates.  They produced Bounty Warrants and revenue stamped bank checks.  The elaborate company building they had built in 1870 was destroyed in the great Chicago fire of 1871.  The firm sold the business in 1881.

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CurrencyDen1
This promotional note for the 2nd Trigo Kuala Lumpur International Money Show held in March 2018 is NOT to be cataloged in the Catalog of Printers Test Notes.  It was not produced by a bank note printer, but a private printer, even though it was produced on banknote paper with ultraviolet ink.  The estimate at auction was 100-300 MYR, but sold for 3,000 MYR with 61 bids ($715).  Note the PMG S/N is in error.  Another note with no TPG sold for RM70 ($17).  Obviously still collectable.
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GregAlex
That's a very attractive note. I sometimes wonder about need for TPGs in the area of test notes. Clearly they were never meant to circulate so why have them graded? Unless it's a form of authentication. Do you ever see any forgery of these? That would be tough to pull off considering all the security measures they incorporate.
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GregAlex
Here at the ANA Chicago show I just passed a dealer table showing these. would they be considered test notes or fantasy notes?
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Jim61
Fantasy in my book. I have seem a lot of them.
Looking for:
Any small size UNC $1 FRN with serial 16977961.
2009 $1 LX end -61 - CU.
1935A $1 CC HAWAII end -61 raw or PCGS CU or better, PMG ok.
World serial 00000061.
World replacements serials ending -61.
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CurrencyDen1
Agreed.  My Carl Marx 0 Euro is made by Oberthur (FCO).  It has a full set of security features.  It would rate lower than local currency since there is no redemption value.  Made for tourists & collectors only.

Someone in my local OKC coin club said there was a catalog out for these.  If so, it must already be out of date.  Every country in Europe has these notes, most many.

If you think of it, these souvenir notes replace the various countries old currency before the Euro to take home as a souvenir of a trip abroad. Who wants a real Euro from each country they visit?  With just a prefix difference, no distinctive local theme, who cares?  Maybe it's just me.
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CurrencyDen1
"That's a very attractive note. I sometimes wonder about need for TPGs in the area of test notes. Clearly they were never meant to circulate so why have them graded? Unless it's a form of authentication. Do you ever see any forgery of these? That would be tough to pull off considering all the security measures they incorporate."

Good question, with no good answer.  The note that sold for $715 was actually given a 70 grade.  Can a 70 grade yield 60 times for value than a note not graded, but likely one of the UNC 60s?  I wouldn't think so.  First issue sold?  That could be.

I have seen few slabbed test notes.  Of these, few with a catalog number cited.  Most list the bank note printer & maybe the date.  TPGs charge to attribute a note.  As far as I know, only ICG has a copy of the Catalog of Printers Test Notes.  With the partnership with PCGS, I don't know what status PCGS has.  Those other TPGs with a catalog number cited probably were supplied by the owner.

As everyone knows, it you grade an entire pack of new notes, most will grade some level on UNC (some may not) and a few the perfect 70.  With the cost of a TPG slab, I can't imagine the number of test notes graded to increase much unless the test note is valuable or the market for test notes increases.
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GregAlex
Now that I'm tuned into these notes or promotional items, I'm starting to see quite a lot of them at the show here. Some very interesting ones in an exhibit, but also many at dealer's tables. Click image for larger version - Name: IMG_20190814_134131652.jpg, Views: 83, Size: 313.99 KB Click image for larger version - Name: IMG_20190814_103757968.jpg, Views: 88, Size: 578.46 KB Click image for larger version - Name: IMG_20190814_103650984.jpg, Views: 88, Size: 609.78 KB
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DaveM
CurrencyDen1 wrote:
Someone in my local OKC coin club said there was a catalog out for these.  If so, it must already be out of date.  Every country in Europe has these notes, most many.


http://www.euro-souvenirscheine.de/lists.php

It's become quite a popular collectible, it seems. I don't have any, but did ask my Mother to look for them when she goes on a trip this fall. It will be fun for her to find these, knowing that I will appreciate them, and that she can tell me about the particulars of where she got them. I told her to only get them when they visit the place pictured, so she doesn't go pick up a hundred of them from some dealer which would have no sentimental value for either of us.
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CurrencyDen1
Greg,
I wish I was there with you!

The Durand set is unattributed, until now!  There are 2 similar series from the 1830s, DC-101 & DC-102, both valued at $350.  NICE!

The Seropyan's Patent is also unattributed. G. D. SEROPYAN patented a process to deter counterfeiting which depend on a perfect photographic negative in 1858.  He assigned the patent to WM. I COUSLAND AND J. D. BALD, so I have to assume the printer is Bald, Cousland & Co.  This firm only has one other recorded promotional note. GORGEOUS!  Correction! I spy a Danforth, Wright & Co, New York on the right side.  The first promotional note recorded of this firm!!

The 3rd group is interesting in it's own right.  The last two (identical with different colors) were produced by Draper, Welsh and Company of Philadelphia and Jocelyn, Draper, Welsh and Company of New York with the American Bank Note Company title BEFORE the merger of the 7 companies to form ABNC!  There is also a 3rd version with only the American Bank Note Company title.  The green one shown brought a hammer price of $3600, while the brown version is up for auction now at Heritage!

Please inform me who is showing the display.  I'm using green ink because I am green with envy!!


 

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TookyBandit
Hey guys, a buddy has this cool test note w/ presentation book! Anyone know the approx. market value?

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CurrencyDen1

Your buddy's note (GD-181a) was produced jointly by Giesecke & Devrient, KBA-Giori, & SICPA.  SICPA provided the security inks & I believe GD actually produced the note while KBA designed the note.  Jointly produced test notes are not uncommon for this reason.  This note was also produced for the IBNS Money Fair held in London in 2018 (GD-181b), but has an imprint noting this on the obverse of the note.  Your earlier version is less common, only used for the Interpol convention.  As is usually the case, it was printed to show current & potential customers (monetary authorities & national banks) their capabilities, including fighting counterfeiting.  

GD-181a sold for $120, with folder on Ebay some time back by a German dealer. The auction house Christoph Gärtner offered the note for 150 Euros back in 2015.  The auction house Archives International offered a start bid of $110 in 2016 with no takers.  The note offers an assumed low production number, but not a large amount of security devices (intaglio printing, FiT foil, & latent image).  I could not find a firm production number for the note, but that is very common.  Since test notes are not used in commerce, production statistics are not made available.  With all this said, I post the note at $120 value and should hold its worth going forward.

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TookyBandit
Awesome! Thanks so much for taking the time to post the info.
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GregAlex
Here are a few other notes from the ANA exhibit. I will try to determine the exhibitor on Saturday when the awards are presented (it earned a blue ribbon, btw).

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CurrencyDen1
A very educational display for sure.
The top Rawdon, Wright, Hatch, Edson note is valued at $900.  The one below it with reversed values could be one of two types:
No reverse, 344x270 mm, valued at $410
Reverse with globe in center flanked by "2" with Bank of America, 92x195 mm, valued at $1175

Several Congreve notes are attributed.  Charles Whiting (Beaufort House Press) was famous for the use of this anti-counterfeiting method.  These notes are from the 1840s.
WHIT-101 front
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GregAlex
Ha! That one is from my collection. 😊
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CurrencyDen1
AGAIN!  Green with envy.
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GregAlex
And a few more. The checkerboard one pound note is a mystery. No printer indicated, nothing on the back. I liked the De La Rue Giori promo booklet, which had two of the same test note inserted in the back showing all of the security features. However, I was just a lookieloo not a buyer of any of these.



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CurrencyDen1
What a great selection to see in person!  The first mystery note is....

Applegath and Cowper

Inventors of the horizontal steam powered syndical press, submitted notes for 20,000 pound prize for forge-proof banknote to the Bank of England.  Auction.net, the English auction house had three different varieties of Applegarth and Cowpar trial notes at auction.  They estimate the year of issue as about 1818.  Spink estimates the same note as 1821. “The Bank of England Note: A History of Its Printing” by A. D. Mackenzie estimates the year of issue as 1819, noting the Court of Directors of the Bank of England approved their design on February 4, 1819. Here's another, AC-101a
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The Giori Da Vinci Le Monte note is available with & with/out serial numbers.  There are many other varieties.  The one with the most different types has 1452 on the front instead of Le Monte.

The Bradbury-Wilkinson Ceres with Maiden & Galileo flanking is gorgeous!  There are 8 varieties of this one.  Here's the reverse. Their building shows up on lots of other items, including test notes & dummy stamps.
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The Paul Revere note was made for an opening of an ABNC in France.  It is engraved by two well-known ABNC engravers.  As you know, MUCH more e to the story in an upcoming issue of the SCCS Card Collecting Journal and many thanks for help!

The BW color chart has 30 different colors from #1A to #25.  Numbers don't add up, huh?  It's those extra "A"s.  The are two sets of different dimensions.  There is also another set of 33 using alpha designations, A for Yellow for instance.

I would have to hide my wallet if I had been there....
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CurrencyDen1
I posted a new topic "Near Record Price Posted for a Test Note" earlier today.  I was in error.  The hammer price is 42,000 US$, NOT 42,000 HK$.  This makes the note the world record for highest price paid for a test note by nearly 400% over the previous record note!
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tigertrader

Not a test note but I thought you all might enjoy this one:

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https://currency.ha.com/itm/world-currency/bradbury-wilkinson-andamp-company-limited-1912-ad-sheet/a/4015-28622.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
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Steve in Tampa
Wow, the details are incredible, thanks for sharing.

I’m guessing the street scene is somewhere in London.
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