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As you enter the show and by the right wall, the ANA has an impressive exhibit of coins and paper money. $1 1804 silver dollar, five cent 1913 V-nickel, etc.  Included is a couple of display cases with error currency.   Very nice errors!  But one note is a fake error.  To those who are going to the show, see if you can identify the fake error note.
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Very nice errors!  But one note is a fake error.


Did the ANA intend on exhibiting a fake error for educational purposes?[confused]

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Did the ANA intend on exhibiting a fake error for educational purposes?[confused]


No, I do not think so. There are double denominations, and an inverted third printing star note which are highlights of the exhibit.

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Hope someone will share a picture or two
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I took a picture. I will post after others look at the exhibit.
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Here are all the error notes. I'll have to go back and give them a closer look.

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Well, I see one that is suspect in each case. Tough to tell without being closer and in hand.
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I’m 99% sure I figured it out! I never would’ve caught it without this forum thread.
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I am also certain I figured out which note is the fake error.  Judging from the other high end errors in the collection, I would have thought an advanced error collector would have sniffed that note out as a fake error.   
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Yeah one, if it is what I think, looks like an eBay phony note special... any more seals and it'd be at Sea World...
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I went back and looked but I'm still not sure.
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I’m gonna guess it’s the silver certificate with the two seals.
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MEC2 and SSC, if you enlarge the far left $1 silver certificate picture you can see along with the 2nd treasury seal it does in fact have a 2nd serial number below and a little to the right of the bottom left serial number.  In addition it also has a 2nd secretary of the treasury signature just like you would expect on an older series (1950 and before) double 3rd print note.
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Additional information:

All the notes are from the Beebee collection.  He collected notes at a time when some of the printing methods to make "fake errors" was not available.  The silver certificate with two seals is legitimate and a very cool "real" error. 

When he died, his entire collection of coins and paper money was donated to the ANA.

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Well, looks like I may still be in the running - if it is in the other display case?

Like I said, not there to see them in person like Jim and Robert and Greg, etc.

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The "second" right serial number is not where it should be on the SC...
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The "second" right serial number is not where it should be on the SC...


Correct, the "second" upper right serial number was likely obstructed by the sheet, perhaps the one it was intended for (only out of position.)  
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In the first case, is it the $1 SC cutting error ???? 
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Toward the top of the first photo, I see a $1 SC that is missing portions of both the second and third prints, in an arrangement that does not appear likely to be the result of an obstruction.  If that note turned up on the Bay, I would immediately assume that the missing printing had been erased in some way.  But the fact that the note is old enough to be from the Bebee collection is making me have second thoughts.  Was anybody doing eraser jobs in those days of sufficiently high quality to fool a serious collector?
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The fake error:

Parts of the second and third printing are missing, including titles which are part of the second printing.  There are two parts to the third printing missing, the seal, and the signatures.  Just about impossible for all to be fully obstructed without affecting other printing.  Notice there are weak spots in the UR serial number indicating erasure.

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Thank you for the fun exercise!
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That SC note is the one I picked as being the fake error.  It has 2nd and 3rd print design elements missing on both sides of Washington's portrait, yet the portrait itself remain relatively unaffected?  I figured that was nearly impossible without multiple obstructions or under-inking.  Now with a large/clear picture you can see missing ink from the lower right border around Washington.  The upper right serial number is missing ink from the bottom of the numbers.  There is also missing ink from the lower right "inner border" of the 2nd print design.  There is actually quite a bit of missing ink missing from that lower right quadrant of the note.  All of that ink loss is in the inner portions of the note where those 2nd and 3rd print elements are found.  All these signs point to erasure making this a fake error note.      
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