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SSC
“It might be something as simple as he doesn't have the funds to ship them back“

And we have a winner.
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newabe
SSC wrote:
“It might be something as simple as he doesn't have the funds to ship them back“

And we have a winner.


The more I think about it, that has to be a substantial cost and not just the shipping. Not that he hasn't already been paid for it. If the stack of notes is as large as it sounds that would take some labor to do it right. Packing and accurately logging what's been returned would take some doing. It would be pretty dicey too seeing as there most surely will be lawsuits regarding "missing" or "damaged" notes. 

...another thought crosses my mind...if you've got no money to ship the notes back....do you have money to insure the notes you're holding?
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rak23yankees
SSC wrote:
“It might be something as simple as he doesn't have the funds to ship them back“

And we have a winner.


We have a facetious winner perhaps. There's NO WAY he just "doesn't have the money" to send them back.

Devil's advocate. OK. He doesn't have the money to send them back. Does he also not have the ability to pick up the damn phone when it rings OR type on a damn keyboard when receiving emails or how about a text? STOP ENABLING THIS CROOK!!!!

If you're playing "what ifs." What IF this jackass has a gambling addiction? What IF he has a drug addiction? What IF he has a sex addiction? Seems to me it all went south in a hurry. That's NOT the usual actions of a normal person in business. Something has gone awry...
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Cody71086
Here is the shipping process:

1. Look at declared value stated by submitter. Priority under 3K. Registered over 3K
2. Part of your S&H charge was to cover the insurance policy for shipping.
3. Notes reviewed against sub form and packing slip to make sure everything is accounted for.
4. Slabs wrapped in plastic and placed between cardboard--like Heritage does.
5. Depending on how big the order is the box is chosen.
6. Order is cushioned appropriately.
7. Box is taped appropriately.
8. Postage printed via online program. I can't remember what it was. But no money. No Postage.
9. Manifest is printed.
10. Packages taken to the post office.
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rak23yankees
Reason 852,369 that this jerk Bradford needs to be stopped!

Ted Vaughan I submitted currency for grading in June,2019. Now there phones don’t record messages, they don’t answer mail. I don’t know if they are in operation or simply stole my submissions.

He just posted that on LCG Facebook page. This is EXACTLY what I've been saying to anyone that would listen... 
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Springfield

Jason’s website has a link that directs people to this website. 


Can a special page be set up to intercept all traffic coming from Jason’s site to state something like contact a lawyer and/or the police  to assist in the return of your notes previously submitted?


Also are their any lawyers on this forum that could create a thread and explain the process of a class action lawsuit?

Thanks in advance for your responses.  

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Numbersman
Question.........if there's no money for the return of other people's property, then how is there enough money for this?
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jdizzle
Springfield wrote:

Jason’s website has a link that directs people to this website. 


Can a special page be set up to intercept all traffic coming from Jason’s site to state something like contact a lawyer and/or the police  to assist in the return of your notes previously submitted?



Can it be done? Absolutely...that’s called “hacking”. ;-) But can it be done legally? No. Do I potentially want to go to jail? Definitely not.

I’m not a lawyer, I’m a Cyber Security guy, but it were deemed in a court of law that he was knowingly committing fraud or running a racketeering scheme then yes, the court could absolutely take down his servers and his DNS resolution could be removed.
Obsessed with originally and PPQ/EPQ notes!
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jdizzle
Numbersman wrote:
Question.........if there's no money for the return of other people's property, then how is there enough money for this?
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So THAT’S where he’s been and THAT’S where all the money is going!
Obsessed with originally and PPQ/EPQ notes!
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HoneyBadger
This might sound like a dumb idea, but let us assume for this hypothetical that any given company has no money to return ship the notes. Would it not be just as well if the customers with outstanding notes offer to send a fully paid and insured return shipping box for their notes? If it were my notes, I would pay for the return shipping just to get them back.

FRN Collections Complete - 1928-1934 LGS: $5 [87%] - $10 [37%] - $20 [2%] - $50 [6%] - $100 [0%] - $500 [0%]

http://www.1928notes.com - If you have a new note to add, please let me know.
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rak23yankees
HoneyBadger wrote:
This might sound like a dumb idea, but let us assume for this hypothetical that any given company has no money to return ship the notes. Would it not be just as well if the customers with outstanding notes offer to send a fully paid and insured return shipping box for their notes? If it were my notes, I would pay for the return shipping just to get them back.



A noble gesture. But do you think that would happen? That's actually a lot of work doing that per Cody's prep list for sending notes back? Hell, this guy won't pick up the damn phone or text or respond to an email? Those things are far less strenuous...and he won't do those so...
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Cody71086
HoneyBadger wrote:
This might sound like a dumb idea, but let us assume for this hypothetical that any given company has no money to return ship the notes. Would it not be just as well if the customers with outstanding notes offer to send a fully paid and insured return shipping box for their notes? If it were my notes, I would pay for the return shipping just to get them back.



In theory that is a possibility. That door goes both ways though. The other party has to make the effort to ship them back.
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HoneyBadger
Just trying to figure how people could get their notes. At this point, I would say forget the fees. Just worry about recovery of your notes. With a pre-paid package, at least the lack-of-funds excuse does not work.
FRN Collections Complete - 1928-1934 LGS: $5 [87%] - $10 [37%] - $20 [2%] - $50 [6%] - $100 [0%] - $500 [0%]

http://www.1928notes.com - If you have a new note to add, please let me know.
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luca
Numbersman wrote:
Question.........if there's no money for the return of other people's property, then how is there enough money for this?
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Winning ^^^
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Prestigious_paper
Springfield wrote:

 

Enough damage has been done.  Hopefully our hobby can recover and overcome the stain Legacy created. 



In all honesty PMG isn't getting enough credit publicly for picking up the slack that PCGS/Legacy has left behind. Turnaround has not had a significant drop off in 2019 & they have hired more experts to take on the extra grading demands. 

Currency grading will recover thanks to solid companies like PMG & hopefully Collectors Universe in the near future. 
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Prestigious_paper
Numbersman wrote:
Question.........if there's no money for the return of other people's property, then how is there enough money for this?
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smh
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High Grade Rarities
Prestigious_paper wrote:


In all honesty PMG isn't getting enough credit publicly for picking up the slack that PCGS/Legacy has left behind. Turnaround has not had a significant drop off in 2019 & they have hired more experts to take on the extra grading demands. 

Currency grading will recover thanks to solid companies like PMG & hopefully Collectors Universe in the near future. 


My submission turnaround times have actually decreased in 2019. Not only did PMG prepare for the additional volume they knew was coming, they seem to have streamlined their whole operation to process the additional volume even smoother than before.

Considering all the threads and lengthy conversations on this forum at the end of PCGS-C and the beginning of Legacy- I hate to say it, but I really have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone that sent notes to Legacy and now cannot get them back(not referring to new members here). Some of us predicted the end game for Legacy, and here we are. Billboards with warnings were plastered all over this forum. It wasn't difficult to predict that Jason's failure with PCGS-C would flow right into Legacy and compound. With a long history of poor service and insanely slow turnaround times, I was shocked that some actually believed things would change with a new "Legacy" label slapped on top of "failure". PMG is well known to be a fine tuned machine, so why on earth roll the dice and send anything to the Legacy black hole?
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coinfrog

Re PCGS-C - not to mention erratic grading for years.

Well said.

You seldom get more than you pay for, but you can very easily get less.
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rak23yankees
coinfrog wrote:
Is this perhaps a police issue, at least to start?



OK...After some research this IS a police matter IF you had your notes insured. That way, you make a police report and then submit it to insurance...
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AFox12
Springfield wrote:

Jason’s website has a link that directs people to this website.




It looks like his website is down again.

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dtreter
still working for me
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Monney00
Prestigious_paper wrote:


In all honesty PMG isn't getting enough credit publicly for picking up the slack that PCGS/Legacy has left behind. Turnaround has not had a significant drop off in 2019 & they have hired more experts to take on the extra grading demands. 

Currency grading will recover thanks to solid companies like PMG & hopefully Collectors Universe in the near future. 


I agree. PMG is beating stated turnaround times on many of my submissions as I work to cross my high value stuff out of PCGS holders.

I was an admitted PCGS supporter. I was able to rationalize the problems in some sort of twisted way as PCGS cratered. Through pure chance (the birth of my son), I had tabled a lot of grading submissions and such that I wanted to do beginning in approximately Oct 2018. I was lucky enough to be on the sidelines for the fall, but I was still charged for a renewal in January. I was promised a swift and pleasant transition into legacy, with the voucher being honored. As I continued to attempt to get verification of the membership, I got the run around then radio silence.

There is no more rationalization. The logic (and law enforcement) in me assumes that attorney advise or a preservation of evidence motion has been granted on one of the lawsuits. Thus no contact, no returned notes. But at this point, who knows. Additionally, who knows what creditors may be sniffing for their piece of the pie too.

The damage done to the hobby is jarring. There is no telling how many individuals interested in paper money, just starting out, will walk away due to losing notes or money. I have made many expensive “learning experiences” in my time, but had an “expert” swindled me right when I started, I would have never continued in the hobby.
Always looking for, or looking to buy serials as follows:

01171987
06302012
06262016

00000017 (with the 17 in any location)
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coinfrog
Well said. Fascinated by the unfolding of this story.
You seldom get more than you pay for, but you can very easily get less.
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larry510
Our latest batch of notes sent to PMG was finished way sooner than I expected! Fastest ever.
PCGS/Legacy Currency Registry Awards:
2017 best new set of the year
2018 best small size block set
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Bravo6
New guy here..... seeing as he was part of PCGS, has anything ever been said/confirmed about the old PCGS database and or access to confirming their graded notes? I haven't seen anything anywhere.....seems like if there isn't anything yet, anyone looking at stepping into their shoes should get that......
or have I just missed finding it?
thanx
"Don't worry about it, nothing is gonna be O.K. anyway........
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