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beryl
The question is: why does ebay allow this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Banknote-FRANCE-100-Francs-Type-BERLIOZ-PMG-Date-1979/254664905845?hash=item3b4b361475:g😮b8AAOSwsKFfHC2~
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mfontes
Believe it or not, I purchased two notes from this seller earlier in the year and the notes are not graded or in a fake holder.  He does make it look like they are graded which he shouldn't.  My notes arrived in a plastic bag tapped to a postcard.  
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TomTomTomTom
larry510 wrote:


Now the question is whether or
not Heritage or Stacks will accept them.  


@larry510  I think that we know the answer to at least one of them.
Always looking for high quality fractional notes, specimens, proofs, experimentals and anything fractional related
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High Grade Rarities
@larry510  I think that we know the answer to at least one of them.


I would say zero chance at either
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Springfield
I’m wondering if Stack’s will ever be paid any money they are owed?  Could they force the sale of the company to be paid?
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HoneyBadger
hfjacinto wrote:
Yes you can grade a note from a scan, you can see fold lines, condition and overall look. You can’t tell the quality of the paper or the feel. But you can tell how centered a note is, whether there are stains or fold lines.
 

Not sure how one can totally grade a note from a picture. Sure, hard folds can often be seen from images but there are notes graded CU or better which are in reality AU58’s. Very, very light bends can be near impossible to see from an image.
FRN Collections Complete - 1928-1934 LGS: $5 [87%] - $10 [37%] - $20 [2%] - $50 [6%] - $100 [0%] - $500 [0%]

http://www.1928notes.com - If you have a new note to add, please let me know.
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Dan Cong
I think it is certainly possible to see if a note is over graded from a photo, meaning you can see things that indicate it would not meet the listed grade. But in a Schrödinger’s cat situation, you cannot tell the state of the note in the holder, as you can not examine it truly in hand. Once you take it out of the holder, it is no longer graded. That is why integrity and expertise are necessary for a TPG service. You need to trust them that the note does meet the standard without having to remove it from the holder. 
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Steve in Tampa

Flat scans are almost impossible to grade accurately. 


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MaineJoe
@Steve in Tampa Nice comparison example. I know my stuff I sell for the most part is circulated, but I have never had a problem questioning the details. I found that taking the scan as a picture rather than an image made that difference for me. But then again I seem to be a minority in that category. These days everyone uses their phone for pics.
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SSC
The ONLY thing that you can determine from a scan is centering.   That’s it and that’s assuming the note is Unc.  If it’s not Unc centering means nothing.   I tried telling our new member this but he’s firm in his belief that he can accurately grade from Vf-Au from a scan.  Lol.  
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HoneyBadger
SSC wrote:
The ONLY thing that you can determine from a scan is centering.   That’s it and that’s assuming the note is Unc.  If it’s not Unc centering means nothing.   I tried telling our new member this but he’s firm in his belief that he can accurately grade from Vf-Au from a scan.  Lol.  


Some VF-AU grades may be ascertainable from images, but light bends may be hidden on circulated notes just as easily as uncirculated notes. So, I agree, images cannot totally be trusted.
FRN Collections Complete - 1928-1934 LGS: $5 [87%] - $10 [37%] - $20 [2%] - $50 [6%] - $100 [0%] - $500 [0%]

http://www.1928notes.com - If you have a new note to add, please let me know.
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hfjacinto
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Not sure how one can totally grade a note from a picture. Sure, hard folds can often be seen from images but there are notes graded CU or better which are in reality AU58’s. Very, very light bends can be near impossible to see from an image.


All my notes are VF, I've always been able to grade correctly from scans/pictures. And I never said CU/AU's. I don't generally buy high grade notes. I also don't buy from ebay, vast majority of my notes are local or from one internet Coin Shop that I do business with. For what I buy I've always been able to grade from pictures. 
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larry510
HoneyBadger wrote:


Some VF-AU grades may be ascertainable from images, but light bends may be hidden on circulated notes just as easily as uncirculated notes. So, I agree, images cannot totally be trusted.


I've bought raw notes based off of pictures before that I was sure were uncirculated.  When they arrived in hand they were really XF.  It's sometimes impossible to tell from pictures.  Even a VF 30/35 can look XF 45 by pics.
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EarlySmallSizeFanatic
HoneyBadger wrote:
 

Not sure how one can totally grade a note from a picture. Sure, hard folds can often be seen from images but there are notes graded CU or better which are in reality AU58’s. Very, very light bends can be near impossible to see from an image.


And there is vice versa, notes graded AU58 that are actually CCU or even Superb Gem. 
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HoneyBadger


And there is vice versa, notes graded AU58 that are actually CCU or even Superb Gem. 


True that as well!
FRN Collections Complete - 1928-1934 LGS: $5 [87%] - $10 [37%] - $20 [2%] - $50 [6%] - $100 [0%] - $500 [0%]

http://www.1928notes.com - If you have a new note to add, please let me know.
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HoneyBadger
[Moderators Notes] Please refrain from name calling. I don’t really want to have to clean up these posts. Please no personal insults. If y’all would, please revise your posts for me? 

I am not sure what this is all about, but I am going to look into it. If you have complaints please send a PM.

Thanks,

HB
FRN Collections Complete - 1928-1934 LGS: $5 [87%] - $10 [37%] - $20 [2%] - $50 [6%] - $100 [0%] - $500 [0%]

http://www.1928notes.com - If you have a new note to add, please let me know.
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tigertrader
I will second what @HoneyBadger said and ask you all to stay on topic.

I am out of pocket right now but will review when I am able.
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EarlySmallSizeFanatic
I am very tempted to edit, but will let tigertrader see everything posted. 

Disrespect to other members has no place here. 
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hfjacinto
I’m a newby and this amount of just warrant rudeness turns me off. It’s surprising that posters that are rude and just plain nasty are allowed to keep on posting. Angry people on here need some Prozac.
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tigertrader

Ok I am just going to delete the posts made with personal attacks or threats. But know that this has always been a rule and it must be respected. There is way to say what you want without devolving into personal attacks (or inappropriate comments). If it continues I will have to take further action. 


hfjacinto wrote:
I’m a newby and this amount of just warrant rudeness turns me off. It’s surprising that posters that are rude and just plain nasty are allowed to keep on posting. Angry people on here need some Prozac.


There are all types in the hobby and on the forum. I don't want people being rude in general and I want a welcoming environment for all members, including new members. However, I wouldn't assume we see all posts made (I know I do not) and as in life some people just have a personality that is frankly rude.  We are all adults and some people you just have to ignore. When it crosses a line I will take action similar to what I am doing here, if it continues or becomes a problem further action will be taken. If there are specific issues PM me or other Mods about them.  Also, for all to know, I do not want to have to take any moderation action so please do all that you can to not make us have to intervene and lets all help keep the peace.



Now back to the topic and stay there please. 
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