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GregAlex

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In the process of accumulating images to post in the photo gallery of the SCCS website, I've come across numerous cards that have not been cataloged in the SCCS numbering system. Or at least, I don't think they have. These are cards we will be discussing as the new Cataloging Committee continues to work through numerous tasks.

I thought it might be educational to post some of these unlisted cards here; maybe some member can provide further information about them. Some of these may ultimately be deemed non-cards, but if they get numbers I'll post those down the line. Note: None of these cards are in my collection and I have never seen them in-hand, all I have are images and some are low-res.

Here are some of the early ones...


1889 RNC donor cert HLBNC.jpg
 
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Grant Nat. Monument.jpg 

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FSO rep.jpg   

1873 Vienna Expo award.jpg 

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Neat Greg! I have seem a few of those pass by on eBay, go figure, right?
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Neat Greg! I have seem a few of those pass by on eBay, go figure, right?


Yes, you have! I don't often bid on them, but if the image is high res, I will download it for possible inclusion on the SCCS website. These are often quite rare, so it's important to document them. If anyone comes across early forerunners like this, please PM me.

And now here are some more current mysteries that have yet to be cataloged.

Not sure if this one is engraved or not:
MANA 94.jpg

This one was cut down from SO-37 and repurposed for an SPMC banquet. We are working out how to catalog modified card varieties like this.
SO37(a).jpgSO37(a) back.jpg   
This one certainly looks intaglio -- it appears to have a die impression around the stamps. And there's even a USPS authorization at the bottom. But I've never seen it before.
Collectors Club Chicago 89.jpg 

The Christmas Seal Society overprinted a number of different intaglio prints that I think were originally printed by Mike Bean on his spider press. We have to sort out what category these belong to.
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2006 WPE Capitol.jpg 

And then there's this interesting piece. Apparently the ASDA had triptych cards specially printed by American Bank Note for their Man of the Year banquets. I know of at least one more of these from a different year, also with an ABNC vignette. It's definitely a souvenir -- does that make it a semi-official card?

1993 ASDA Man of Year.jpg 

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The Centennial Dwight Comp has a twin from Great Falls Co instead.  Both these large notes (212x241 mm) are valued at $400 in The Catalog of Printers' Test notes.
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The Centennial Dwight Comp has a twin from Great Falls Co instead.  Both these large notes (212x241 mm) are valued at $400 in The Catalog of Printers' Test notes.


Here's an example -- and I believe there is a third variety, but I don't recall the name of the company.

I've been wondering about these cards. I always thought they were souvenirs from the 1876 Centennial Exhibition. But recently saw one described in an auction catalog as a "fabric label" - maybe something that was attached to large rolls. If Centennial was a brand name, then these don't actually qualify as souvenir cards or test notes. More research is in order.

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EDIT: Just found this on Ebay...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GREAT-FALLS-CO-1876-CENTENNIAL-FABRIC-BOLT-LABEL-ILLUS-PRESIDENTS-/372531510192


and this...

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1876-dwight-co-centennial-advertising-200191809
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The Collectors Club of Chicago is an interesting place. Great old 4 story brownstone in Chicago’s Gold Coast. The club in open to stamp collectors by invitation only. Has a huge Philatelic library. Informal meetings are held monthly. I was was invited to give a talk on Encased Postage back in the 1980’s to the group of mostly high end stamp collectors. Careen was a prolific philatelic writer and had a stamp column in the Chicago Tribune for over 35 years, gave his house for a permanent home to the club. It’s on the Historic Register now.
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I would love to visit that place! And I'll be in Chicago in August. So I just need to see if I can finagle in invite. I'm actually an officer of the Northwest Philatelic Library in Portland, so that might be a good may to connect.
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Good stuff Greg. Love the 1876 centennial cards. A Trevose dealer had sesquicentennial ephemera items from Philly and Chicago at very reasonable prices..$20. Will try to pickup next month and share. Very cool. Keep posting. Link and photo:

https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/archive/sesquicentennial-international-exposition/

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We have managed to assign a couple numbers...

This will be F-1994A (1994 MANA “Old Capitol”)
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And this is now SO-37(a). All of the repurposed cards (cut-down and/or overprinted) will be given small letter suffixes as varieties.

SO37(a).jpg  SO37(a) back.jpg

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And this is now SO-37(a). All of the repurposed cards (cut-down and/or overprinted) will be given small letter suffixes as varieties.

SO37(a).jpg 


I sure hope that the "cut-down" cards by dealers, and subsequently TPG'ed will not receive SCCS approval by listing them on the website or elsewhere with their own variety number!? This would encourage further destruction of SC's since they tend to sell at many times their true cost and value.
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Oh no -- no worries there. In this circumstance "repurposed" is the operative word, rather than "cut-down." For a better explanation, let's step into the WayBack Machine…

In the 1980s, when ABNC first started producing souvenir cards, they printed them on contract for various organizations like the ANA and the SPMC. So the ANA would take delivery, then sell them at their major shows. They had to guess at how many they could sell and initially they weren't very good at it. With SO-12 (ANA 1980), for instance, they ordered 19,000, but sold less than 8,000. This happened fairly often and after a number of years they were sitting on a stockpile of thousands of unsold cards.

Around 1989 someone hit on the idea that they could just trim off the dated portion of the cards, then add some new text on the back and recycle them as giveaway items. They started out doing this for visitors at the ANA Museum in Colorado Springs, then began giving them out at coin shows to promote upcoming ANA conventions. Other groups caught on and did the same thing with their own surplus cards.

The first two times this occurred, the SCCS gave these repurposed cards their own catalog numbers (SO-64 and SO-73). But soon after they reversed that decision and have since ignored these cards altogether -- until we came up with a solution earlier this year to treat them as varieties with "sub-numbers." We will be relisting SO-64 and SO-73 as SO-34(a) and SO-12(a), respectively.

There are probably a couple dozen of these repurposed cards, mostly from the ANA. I thought they had run out by the early 2000s, but was surprised to see one pop up in 2017. I'll post a few examples. All of these will become varieties of the original cards.

As far as cataloging these, we are only concerned with cards that have been cut down by the issuing entity. Dealers who trim down cards for their own purposes won't be getting anything from the SCCS, except perhaps a sniff of disdain.

SO-73 back.jpg  SO-73.jpg 
NYC 97 back.jpg  NYC 97 front.jpg 
Minnesota 97 back.jpg  Minnesota 97 front.jpg 

WFoM 2001 back.jpg  WFoM 2001 front.jpg   

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I believe this has Casilear printed at the bottom.
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Good eyes, Roland! I've had the Centennial Share reprint hanging on my office wall for many years, but I never noticed that. George Casilear was one of the BEP's first engravers and went on to become Superintendent of Engraving from 1889 to 1894, according to "The Engraver's Line." Here's a close-up, so everyone can see what we're talking about.

This creates another mystery, though -- the Centennial Share certificate was produced for the 1876 Centennial International Exhibition, supposedly 13 years *before* Casilear was named superintendent.

Casilear imprint.jpg

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