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Currency, bonds and stock certificates were the bread and butter of most bank note companies. But they also engraved and printed other products at the request of customers. I came across one today that made me realize how many of these quirky items I've picked up over the years.

Appropriately, this was produced for the International Order of Oddfellows. It's a "Visiting Certificate," a little smaller than a postcard. I think this was sort of a pass that allowed members to overnight in a lodge outside their own district.

I'll post more of this atypical material as I come across it.

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Insurance policies and agent certifications:

Adriatic Fire Insurance policy.jpg  Assurance Co. of America agent certificate.jpg 

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Official letterhead. The top one was engraved by John Gavit & Co. of Albany, the smallest of the companies that consolidated in 1858 to form American Bank Note Co.

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Iowa Official letterhead.jpg 

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Trade cards. Bank note companies often printed these for themselves, but they created them for other companies willing to pay the extra cost of intaglio printing.

Kendall BNC trade card.jpg 

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Medicine and perfume labels (a proof and a specimen).

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Hotchkiss facsimile.jpg 

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Playing cards. American Bank Note was actually famous for their cards. Unfortunately, only the Ace of Spades was engraved.

ABNC playing cards.jpg 

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Academic Achievement.  This one is intaglio-printed.

Brooklyn Cert_0001.jpg

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That is a gorgeous certificate, DonEinNY! I've never seen one of those before. In the "Things that are Not souvenir cards" thread, I posted a Boston grammar school diploma, also intaglio printed by ABNC. Now I'm wondering whether we might reconsider including these as semi-official forerunner cards. This is something the SCCS cataloging committee will be discussing in the next few weeks.

Boston ABNC grammar school diploma cu.jpg 

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That is a great diploma, Greg.  To think that such an ornate certificate was produced for a grammar school is amazing!  I guess they really knew how to do it right back then.

As for including such items as semi-official forerunner cards, it may make the category too unwieldy.  There is a lot of this type of material out there - from masonic certificates, state-issued Civil War honorariums, and official recognition certificates to gift certificates, automobile titles, college commencement brochures, and books.  It may be preferable to limit the category to specific events.
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Forerunners is a tough catagory in my mind.  To me, I think there should be a catagory just for the miscellaneous engravings.  I'm guessing the original intention of the forerunner catagory was things that looked and seemed similar to a souvenir card.   Shape and size, but there is so much out there as shown in the posts just in this thread alone.  So the hard question will be how do you limit the subject matter as a Forerunner card?  And then again, if you start a separate catagory for miscellaneous engravings, that alone will become a massive monster as there can be so many things lumped into that catagory it would need it's own group of sub-categories.

I wish you luck on trying to define this catagory....

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I wish you luck on trying to define this catagory....


Yeah, we will need it. I agree with both of you. There is just a ton of potential material to be considered for inclusion. I think the key question to be answered is "How do you define a souvenir?"  A membership certificate? A ticket? A donor acknowledgement?

There are instances where all of these might serve as mementos. Here are a few more oddball items to puzzle over. (Fyi, these three are not in my collection.)

Jo Daviess Soldiers Monument Assn.jpg 

Bank Officers 1876 Centennial ticket.jpg 
Geo Wash Memorial donor receipt BEP.jpg

ABNC Masonic cert reduced.jpg 

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Yes, there are soooo many others.

Opening Ceremony invitation CARD (the size of a small SC card) for the Brooklyn Bridge:
BrooklynBInvitation3.jpg 
A record label for Roebling's Cincinnati Bridge:

Cincinnati_BridgePlate_f1_BW.jpg 

I actually have the copper plates for the above two.

Then there are Railroad CARDS:
Roebling's Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge with NF in the background:
MichiganCentral_NFBridge_f1.jpg 

Ead's St. Louis Bridge:
EadsBridge_AtlanticPacificRRPass (1).jpg

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Ah yes, I had forgotten about railroad passes. Most of these were offset printed, but a few were intaglio, by bank note companies.

DSS&A 1900 pass.jpg 


I like those two Brooklyn Bridge opening items! I never knew there was another intaglio record cover besides this one. (The sleeve is actually litho.)

Chicago album cover sm.jpg 
Chicago album sleeve sm.jpg

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Here are a few more post-Civil War commendation certificates. A number of states, mostly in New England, issued these to Union veterans. They are huge and the engraving is superb. The first one shown here, from New Hampshire, was given a catalog number of FSO-1867A back in 1991. We may need to reexamine whether to call these "souvenirs." What's your opinion?

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Mass horiz diploma.jpg 
MVC-005F-1.jpg 

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I love all this material. Here's an item I picked up last night. It's litho'd by ABNCo. TerraceBowlingClub-1.jpg 
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Neat ticket, Southpaw.  I thought it unusual for a ticket to be issued for bowling, so I wondered if it was a private bowling club.  Turns out - it was.  Following is an article I found in the NY Times archives for October 24, 1895.


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Interesting. George Knapp was an engraver about that time. I wonder if he was the same guy.
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This showed up on Ebay last month. No bank note company imprint, but it has the look of intaglio. I'm not exactly sure what it is -- perhaps a membership card?

There was an engraver from the period named George Knapp, but his middle name was Kasson (according to "The Engraver's Line") and the article lists a George F. Knapp.

Terrace Bowling Club card.jpg

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Calendars were a staple for many bank note companies, often to promote themselves. But there are also some stand-out ABNC calendars for the New England Mutual Insurance Co. (None of these are in my collection, btw, though I'd love to find some.)

Kendall BN 1884 calendar.jpg 
BW 1931 calendar.jpg   

NE Mutual Insurance 1888 calendar.jpg

There is a terrific digital collection of these here:
https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_field=all_fields&q=new+england+mutual+life+calendar

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There are some wonderful calendars out there. A friend has quite a few. Here's one I bought from him. It's interesting that the only remaining page is litho, and the color gradation is done with a split-fountain, not halftone dots. WBNC0CALENDAR-1.jpg  WBNC0CALENDAR-2.jpg 
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Oh my, that is a spectacular header! Western did a nice job on that one. I think CurrencyDen1 might want to talk to you about that. [biggrin]
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You should see the original model artwork.
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WBNC0CALENDAR-6.jpg WBNC0CALENDAR-5.jpg  WBNC0CALENDAR-4.jpg  WBNC0CALENDAR-3.jpg   
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Greg is right!  I am indeed VERY interested in banknote company calendars, especially well engraved ones like this one!  I include test notes, experimental notes, house notes, advertising broadsides, calendars, and some counterfeit detector and vignette sheets IF they have the at least the firm listed on the sheets in my test note catalogs.
This beauty will find a home in THREE catalogs!  Since it is a part of the ABN heritage, it will be added to the "American Bank Note Company Test Note Catalog" (book form).  By default, it will added to the yearly updated "Catalog of Printers' Test Notes", now in it's 14th edition (an eBook).  I will releasing a new book next year, being the anniversary of test notes in the US, the title tentatively being  "200 of North American Test Notes".  To date, there are 95 firms included who have issued test notes.  I have compacted it to about 190 pages.
THIS Western beauty will be listed as WBNC-211 - the first calendar for Western.

If anybody has other calendars, or other material I listed for that matter, please feel free to provide images and information!  Dimensions, dates, and known sales values are all very useful.

I don't, correction DIDN'T check the SCSE subcategory, not wanting to step on their own attributed items.  This is clearly not always the case!  I should have been checking here all along -  I LOVE the security engravings!
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Stick around, Roland -- I think you'll find a lot of interesting stuff on this forum! And feel free to post your own scans -- I know you have a vast library of images.

Tonight, some tickets! These are a point of contention for the SCCS cataloging committee. Should they be considered souvenir cards? A lot of bank note companies printed them, but were they merely functional or do they also serve as mementos? My view is that if an organization went to all the trouble to have a ticket engraved, then they probably expected people to keep it as a souvenir -- especially if it was larger than a typical ticket.

Most of these are not mine, I'm just posting some of the nicer examples I've come across (a couple are BEP, so they don't really count as bank note products).

1870 PPU ball ticket.jpg 
F1873 Gentleman.jpg 

1897 Inaug ticket w stubs.jpg  FB1939B ticket.jpg 
This one I posted earlier.
Bank Officers 1876 Centennial ticket.jpg 

WCE Handel ticket.jpg 

10-12-26-8.jpg  10-12-26-8a.jpg 
tickets front.jpg

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