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EarlySmallSizeFanatic

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Hint: there are two things. 

Jim H and Jamie Y already know the answer, this is an educational exercise.

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It's definitely NOT a LGS and it IS a mule..........what do I win!?!?!?
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Yep, you nailed it. 

Why is PMG making so many mistakes on seal color attribution lately ?

Within a couple listings, there was an L star labeled DGS, that is obviously LGS. 

Only 36,000 F star LGS were printed. 

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Alex, I’ll take Word Origins for eight-hundred please.
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In addition, that is the worst AU50 I have ever seen. Looks more like a VF35

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Who or what is the arbiter of LGS vs DGS?
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Two-fold:

1.) It's generally accepted that if you don't see the yellow-lime you're entering DGS territory. Dark blue-green

2.) The SN here is literally 250,000 off from highest observed LGS. There is simply no justifiable basis to label that note as LGS.



Here is an even worse offender:

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And this is when they get it right:

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I have one also. This is actually a Fr835b:

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EarlySmallSizeFanatic

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Who or what is the arbiter of LGS vs DGS?


The break in LGS to DGS is after October 26, 1937 and before November 01, 1937 from what I can tell. The November printings are very transitional, and opinions on their attribution vary. 

The LGS need to have a yellow green hue to the seal and serial number.

The next color used on the DGS side was vivid blue green, which is very attractive. When new, these notes have a bluish tint to the seal and serial numbers, and have a greasy or oily sheen to the seal and serials. 

The final color (they come in different hues over time) is the dull blue green seal (DGS also). These have a steely blue green, but flat and lifeless appearance to the seal and serials. 

The vivid blue greens were in use from late 1937 to late 1939.

The dull blue green seals were in use from late 1939 to the end of the 1934 series in January 1951. Dull blue green can also be found on 1950 and some 1950A notes, before today's emerald green came about sometime around 1956 to 1958. 

It is possible that whoever is designating seal colors at PMG, may have red/green color blindness. This disease affects mostly men, and alters their perception of color. Many people who have this disease, don't even know they have it. 

Something should be done about this at PMG, as it will skew population reports with false information, and could over time, undo the hard work that many people have put into straitening out seal color attributions. 

I am one of the very lucky ones who is not affected by this disease. 
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In addition, that is the worst AU50 I have ever seen. Looks more like a VF35


Technically, it MAY rate an AU50, but that heavy fold kills it for me. A Choice XF would be more appropriate. Maybe, the issue with the hickup in grading quality is that they have gotten far more influx of grading requests due to the "other" TPG issues? They have als9o been actively seeking graders so with new graders comes the inevitable errors. Having said that, the second set of eyes to verify the grade SHOULD catch this if the experienced graders ALWAYS are paired with a newer grader as that verification. Just my thought.

As to the other specifics of type, I just don't know enough to comment.

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I often wonder if the people working at PMG know anything about currency at all. There are quite a few nationals now on eBay at unreasonable prices in problem-free PMG holders that have clearly redrawn "Ossie" signatures. I don't think anyone at PMG knows what a real signature looks like.
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